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feeds@yuku.com (debbuna) — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:56:36 PST

I'm wondering if Gunther's mom is still around and how he is doing since the switch to Novelin N.?????

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feeds@yuku.com (permilan) — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:38:12 PST

I vet did concurred to move the units up to 4, and told my husband that I can retest on Sunday. oh yes, we did change the syringes as well, I had just purchased three boxes worth from Hocks.com. I returned them today.

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feeds@yuku.com (pug) — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:04:30 PST

Just wanted to make sure that you changed syringes when you changed from the vetsulin to the Novolin. When your vet set the dose at 2Units, if you didn't change syringes that would be equal to 5 Units of the Novolin. It would make more sense than going to 2 Units. Before we all assume that your vet did change syringes, could you let us know?

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feeds@yuku.com (permilan) — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:52:13 PST

First off I want to thank all of you for your suggestions. I am currently waiting on the vet to give me a call back. And I do work during the day, but do have every other Friday off. I originally had planned on doing a full 12 hr curve this Friday. But after the excess drinking & urination, I ran a few test last night. Tried right when I fed him, but did not get any numbers until 9:37 pm which was 362; 11:40 pm - 495; 1:43 am - 486, and then again right before his 6:30 am - 385. I am hoping the vet calls back soon.

I haven't checked his urine. I certainly could, I ran home at lunch to let him out and he literally pee while I counted to 60. (This is when I found your response) So I will stop by CVS and pick up the urine sticks you mention. This is my 3rd vet, so we recently switch to (by referral) so she my have felt that was covered by our previous vet. My sister in-law sister's "Pahtner"(I always thought his name was Partner, but Pahtner is the New...

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feeds@yuku.com (mzizgayle) — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:12:16 PST

Welcome, I also missed ya earlier, must be senior brain glitch lol...I am Gayle, the human diabetic of the group lol, so I guess I am like the consultant since it is very similar and since the doggies can't talk I do...

Testing is important, otherwise you might run into problems adjusting the insulin, not knowing if you are getting highs or lows.

Meters are all different (even meters of the same brand might give different #), so whatever meter you use, remember it is a guideline and do check against the doctor's reading. when I first got mine (I use the one touch ultra smart, because I like the extra things with it and I can download to the computer) the doctor tested me and then had me test, same spot to see how far off. (with humans testing on fingers or arms can give different readings) mine is pretty accurate.

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feeds@yuku.com (lindsay write) — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:30:01 PST

Hi, and welcome! Sorry, I just found your thread now.

We also switched from Vetsulin to Humulin and it was the right choice for us.

As far as getting blood from the ear, this can be difficult as you've already discovered! You need to find the vein and put the lancet directly into it. It's really hard to find so you'll need a flashlight - hold it behind Gunther's ear flap. It's the red line that runs along the edge of the flap. I tried to get blood from my dog's ear flap but it was really hard to do while holding a flashlight!

Others have mentioned alternate areas. I ended up using my dog's elbow callous and also some warts. Those are those little skin thingies that often appear as a dog gets older.

Let us know how you make out!

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feeds@yuku.com (debbuna) — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:29:33 PST

Wow, welcome back. I'm glad you made the change to Novelin N although the dose is probably not what I would have started Gunther at. You will see in time that the doses pretty much match up...I was using 7U of Vetsulin for Lucy and ended up with 6.5 U of Novelin N (she had lost weight which accounted for the different dose). However Lucy is only 11-12 pounds in weight and Gunther is 28 pounds so even the 8 U of Vetsulin was probably not enough. It IS a good idea to start a bit lower for the first dose but I would have started Gunther on 5-6 U, not 2. I'm not surprised he is drinking and peeing, he is definitely running high. I would stick my neck out here and advise an increase in insulin..... could you run this by your vet? I'm afraid to leave Gunther at these high Bgs. for very much longer as that alone can cause organ damage.

Are you checking his urine for ketones?? Any pharmacy will sell urine dipsticks called Keto-Diastix. It would be a good...

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feeds@yuku.com (mommytoNash) — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:28:48 PST

How many unit was Gunther on before when he was on the Vetsulin?

He is 29 lbs, and 2 units is literally nothing. Why did the Vet go so low. If he was at say 10 units, then starting him on the new insulin at say, 6 units (which is a 40% decrease) to start with was sufficient.

If we know how many units he had been on we'd know where this was going. But 2 units seems really really low. Also, if you compare it to his food. My Nash is on 11 units, and he gets 1 cup of food twice a day and weighs about 30-32 lbs.

Are you home during the day? Does Gunther have any warts, or callous that you can use for testing? When I use one of Nash's warts (sorry, that is what they are).....I squeeze a bit to make sure I get enough blood before I put the strip next to it.

So glad to see you are back.

Also, one more thing, are you testing Gunther at his 'fasting' to start, and then every 2 hours after, ending with his fasting just...

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feeds@yuku.com (Johanna13) — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:07:23 PST

I'm glad to hear that your now using the Novelin N... You should see a improvement very soon...
How many units are you giving at each shot..
And can you tell us again what your feeding Gunther .and the amount??
This might help us to help you get those BG numbers down...

As for the testing there is a few links on top of this diabetic forum that help with that....
Also There are many hear that have tested on the ear... I'm sure they will respond very soon...

Glad you posted... We were wondering how you and Gunther were doing..

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feeds@yuku.com (permilan) — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:38:49 PST

Sorry, I did not reply earlier. I read everyone's post but could not locate the blood curve numbers, so did not respond. On Nov 27 I did a curve an got 295, 413, 468, 381, 164 and then 558. with a few numbers I did not feel I received accurate results. I felt that maybe the blood samples may have been inefficient. That is what triggered me to bring the meter to vet, and I realize that the meter (compared to another meter the numbers would probably not match, but there is no way it should be 140 points different). so I schedule Gunther on the 8th for a curve at the vet. his numbers were never below 300. so we decided to stop the vetsulin all together and make the change to Novolin N (2 units twice a day).WELCOME...

As for the Vetsulin.. Some dogs do great on it, some don't...
Most here have switched to Novelin N... human insulin...
The human insulin has one peek time ... Vetsulin has two....
We also felt we had better results in regulating our dogs on the human insulin...
Also Wall Mart has Novelin N with the ( ReliOn ) label for $21.00 a bottle and almost 3x the amount of insulin as you would get with the Vetsulin...
Also the ReliOn syringes are only $12.99 a box of 100.... so If you should ever want to make the switch...
We can help you with that...
As for Home testing... I think it is the most important tool you can have...
We also will help you through that also... You can do it !!!
As for as your meter... I have not heard of that one..
But I also know it must be calibrated by the lab... Not against another...

Welcome Permilan...

feeds@yuku.com (Johanna13) — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:10:28 PST

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